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Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
So far, not impressed. I don't see what was wrong with the old process of getting a new storyline and DLCs each year. Instead we get a whole new way of getting rewards plus a nightmare-difficulty zone with very little reason to do it. The Season thing needs to improve... a LOT.
We've barely moved into the second quarter of this year.
There will be new storylines - two, in fact, that we know of.
There will be not one but two other completely new systems for overland repeatable quests, Favours and Rumours.
We don't really know how the ship combat will turn out, but chances are it'll be fine for casual play.
There will be dungeons specifically for soloing them.
And probably more that I've forgotten.
Maybe people should take a look at this year's content for a bit before complaining...
Varana
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Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
The people complaining about NM is the vocal minority, you can tell by how fast groups fill, if I post on Group Finder for any activity in NM I get 12 players in seconds, I've been playing this game for years and never seen an event promote this level of cooperation before, definitely nothing close to this level.barney2525 wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »OccultNerd wrote: »I've seen people asking for a solo or easier version of NM, why? Especially after the majority of players wanted harder content!
The majority do not want harder content. It was a the same handful of players in the pinned overland thread asking for more difficulty. That is far from the majority of players.
Agreed. It is a Vocal Minority. And you can sometimes spot them as they run past every Overland mob at warp speed.
Of course if you base population by forums alone (which has a higher influx of players who are only here to complain for the sake of complaining) you will get the illusion that you're the majority, but while you're all fighting over not being able to solo group activities, the server is actually playing the event and having fun.
By the way, NM is easier than a normal trial, they could have made this more challenging and it would still be ok.
A lot of those players are the same people on alts and alt accounts, so yes NM groups might be filling fast, but it's by the same people which greatly skews participation numbers.
And where do you get this data? How would you know how much of this activity is from different people or not? EIther way it doesn't change that we are seeing a great increase in activity, and those same alts and accounts exist at other times too.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
I’m seeing a lot of people who were averse to the Night Market being won over. The tide of negativity is turning and people are having fun.
The first time I set foot in the Night Market it was a shock to my system. I died faster than a A’likir Dolmen daedra. But I made adjustments and am having a blast. I followed a group today for a few minutes while they killed bosses and unlocked a few relic pieces. I never even had to join the group or interact with anyone. Objectively, the event is really not too difficult. Give it a second chance and you might have fun too.
The first time I set foot in the Night Market it was a shock to my system. I died faster than a A’likir Dolmen daedra. But I made adjustments and am having a blast. I followed a group today for a few minutes while they killed bosses and unlocked a few relic pieces. I never even had to join the group or interact with anyone. Objectively, the event is really not too difficult. Give it a second chance and you might have fun too.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
SilverBride wrote: »Why do you play an MMO (massively multiplayer online) if you want to be alone? These posts are starting to get ridiculous.
Being in a group for combat isn't the only way to interact with others in an MMO. I much prefer to do most things solo so I can do them my own way in my own time. But most of the time I am playing "alone" I am chatting with friends, or participating in zone chat, or stopping what I'm doing to help someone asking for World Boss help, or answering questions or requests for help in guild chat, etc.. So playing solo does not mean playing alone. And playing an MMO does not mean constant grouping.
The Night Market requires zero grouping. It's much like you described what you do already.
Re: Missing credit for oddity
I should have put this in the bugs forum. Perhaps ZOS will fix it.
c363b
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
Even though we sometimes disagree, and disagree on this topic, you have admirable patience and resolve for your positions. I have seen some of what you are referring to, and that really is not appropriate.
There was a very hot topic several years ago that I was on one side of the arguement and another poster was on the opposite. One day we found out we had both just joined the same guild. Well we started talking and 5 years later we are still very good friends. And what made that possible is that neither of us ever criticized the other... we just presented our views as we saw them and didn't make it personal. To this day we still have different views on some topics but we accept that and it doesn't affect our friendship.
But too often the opposite happens...
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
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They have a right and an obligation to air their grievances.
MMO = Massive multiplayer online There is no group in that term
Telling someone to leave the game for saying something YOU don't like is likely why they feel exiled in the start.
shadoza
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
- Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
- Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
To answer the core questions asked:
Q: Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
A: No.
Q:Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
A: No.
Just following up here generally. We hear the feedback from solo players about the Night Market content. We want to follow up with just few things.
We have no intention of pushing solo players out of the game. However, we started this year off by noting that we were going to try some new things. Night Market is one of them. While we always provide group players with trials, we also wanted to try something different. This was not to alienate solo players, but rather to add a new way to play. That being said, we do hear the feedback and have passed that on our teams for future consideration, especially for when Night Market comes back later in the year. Remember, part of the ethos of this event is to add to it over time.
As several have noted in this thread as well, we have a roadmap that is publicly available. The point of the roadmap is to showcase the content we have coming throughout the year. As is noted on the roadmap and current PTS testing, we have plenty of solo friendly content as well. Thieves Guild and Sheogorath Questlines, Favors system, Rumors system, Two Solo Dungeons, Sage's Vault, and the list can keep going. And that is all on top of existing content. We also understand that not every piece of content will be for everyone, and that is okay.
We know this may come off as a contentious statement, but it does bear repeating. While we are an Elder Scrolls game, we are also an MMO. Storytelling and the heart of solo adventure will always be an important part of ESO. However, some of our event/ event zone content will be focused on encouraging group play. It is the nature of the genre. Additionally, we know just like there are players who come for solo content, there are also players who come for group content and challenging group content. So we want to make sure we are providing new things for them as well.
We'll close with this. Last year, we saw many threads throughout the year asking us to address content and find new ways of renewing the gameplay experience, both in variety and challenge. We are in the first passes of this now with items like Night Market going live. But we will have content throughout the year to address both solo and group play within the community. The feedback is helpful to steer us on the right track. So thanks to everyone, both solo players and group players, who have given their constructive feedback regarding the Night Market. The team is taking a look at what can be done during this current running and what can be adjusted for the next run of the Night Market.
I just want to remind everyone, anyone, that MMO does NOT mean grouping. It never meant grouping. It meant shared map. It meant socializing. Using the term Massive Multi-player Online to provide an excuse to push grouping and guilds is trying too hard to validate attempting to change the way we play.
Push what? This game has over a decade worth of solo content, and they are going add solo dungeons in the near future. If anything the removal of the 4 group dungeons this year is a shift more towards solo friendly content.
Push grouping and guilds. I pointed that out in this statement: "Using the term Massive Multi-player Online to provide an excuse to push grouping and guilds . . . "
shadoza
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Remove the initial set of status effects from Ele Sus
It's free damage. With the new mythic it is a lot of free, undodgeable damage with a longer range than normal skills. If zos isn't willing to put a mag cost on ele sus like they did to mark target, they need to take the initial damage away so you can't spam a free skill and still hit hard.
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
It's possible to just mow down everything by gathering as a big mass of people. In principle, you could call 11 people through group finder, have one leave the group, have that person call another 11 people through a group finder listing, etc., until you've reached the maximum player number for the zone.
If it's interesting? Everyone needs to know for themselves. Some might find it strategically boring to just flatten everything to the ground through sheer numbers, others might find exactly that amusing to see.
I personally generally don't find those fights too interesting, because they have no context. For me it was never about smashing buttons in a game, but what that smashing of buttons means within the fictional world. And there's not much in the Night Market. It's some "mysterious daedric place", where for some reason random enemies from other regions show up, and for some reason you are supposed to kill them, because for some reason some daedric faction values that, and that's it. Feels too random to me, but if other people like that, great for them.
Then again, I wonder how many players who are usually not interested in group content even know about the group finder (I'm talking about the average person, who's not on the forums, doesn't read about the game a lot, but just starts the game and plays it - which I guess is the average level of engagement of many players). I think it's possible there are players who enter the Night Market, see no one, turn around again and leave. That's a bit unfortunate. Maybe hinting people more at the group finder would help (not saying everyone would or should be interested in trying, but some people might want to, if they knew it exists).
If it's interesting? Everyone needs to know for themselves. Some might find it strategically boring to just flatten everything to the ground through sheer numbers, others might find exactly that amusing to see.
I personally generally don't find those fights too interesting, because they have no context. For me it was never about smashing buttons in a game, but what that smashing of buttons means within the fictional world. And there's not much in the Night Market. It's some "mysterious daedric place", where for some reason random enemies from other regions show up, and for some reason you are supposed to kill them, because for some reason some daedric faction values that, and that's it. Feels too random to me, but if other people like that, great for them.
Then again, I wonder how many players who are usually not interested in group content even know about the group finder (I'm talking about the average person, who's not on the forums, doesn't read about the game a lot, but just starts the game and plays it - which I guess is the average level of engagement of many players). I think it's possible there are players who enter the Night Market, see no one, turn around again and leave. That's a bit unfortunate. Maybe hinting people more at the group finder would help (not saying everyone would or should be interested in trying, but some people might want to, if they knew it exists).
Syldras
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